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ilovetofly
Posts: 13 Join date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: MCE window Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:01 pm | |
| I'm just now trying this product which, if all works well, is an excellent one. My question is: How does one get the MCE window to stay open when in the sim? I fly in full windowed mode and the window for MCE is hidden. So I hit the ALT key and click on 'Modules", I see that MCE is checked and a very skinny window appears. I double click on the window and it briefly appears then goes to being hidden again. In the "standard mode with the headers at the top, the MCE window can be minimized or enlarged at will. Another "issue" is that if I switch from Full Screen to standard screen and then try to go back to Full Screen, sim locks up, or rather, screen goes to black and that's it. I hope I've made my issues clear. Thanks for the help. Jim D. |
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Dogcreek Admin

Posts: 929 Join date: 2008-03-02 Age: 49 Location: KGEG
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:53 pm | |
| Hi Jim, I have not ever tried full screen so I can't help.... but Jim M or Condor may and I am sure they will be around shortly with advice... Welcome to the MCE forum! Jeff  _________________  MidContinent Airlines Operations Dept |
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JBaymore
Posts: 12 Join date: 2009-04-24 Location: New Hampshire
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:49 pm | |
| Jim D, Hi. The windowed to full screen hang is a well documented fs2004 bug that has been around for YEARS with many apps that require you to swuitch back and forth. You just have to find a "sequence of events" workaround. I am having the same issue if I do that. But I have it withe FSXpand and other software too. Pain in the butt..... but nothing to do with MCE. best, .................john |
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ilovetofly
Posts: 13 Join date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:49 pm | |
| Thanks for the replies. I figured as much regarding the changing of windowed to full window views. How about my first question? Jim D. |
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JBaymore
Posts: 12 Join date: 2009-04-24 Location: New Hampshire
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:57 pm | |
| Uncheck the auto-minimize feature. That seemed to work for me. best, .................john |
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ilovetofly
Posts: 13 Join date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:51 am | |
| Thanks for the suggestion John, but that option is already unchecked. The most important problem is the failure to communicate with ATC. I can hear them fine, but I am not transmitting to ATC. I have a button assigned, hear the squeltch on pushing the button, respond and ATC keeps asking if I received their message. I have Realtek HD Audio and the only other option for the mike is Microsoft Voicechat LX 3000. Is another program needed so I can transmit to ATC? The various panels do pop up on voice command, e.g. ATC window, radio panel, etc. In testing the mike I notice that the volume is low and I've done everything to increase that without success. I didn't have this problem when I tested ATCvox. All suggestions are gladly considered. Thanks again Jim D. |
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fleahead

Posts: 17 Join date: 2009-01-02 Age: 62 Location: Annapolis, Ohio
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:00 am | |
| Hi Jim D I presume you are getting relatively good response when giving commands to the copilot? If so, when you enter the frequency for the center you are communicating to, does copilot announce something like... "COMM1 NOW TUNED TO PHILADELPHIA TOWER" (or whatever center you are tuned to). You can not communicate until that new center is announced. Can you make the communication by saying "CHOOSE 1" or whatever choice you want. Read my last post under the ATC forum about radio problems. _________________ Fleahead of Ohio
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ilovetofly
Posts: 13 Join date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:00 am | |
| Hi Fleahead; Thank you for the quick response. I will review again your previous posts. When I did test out the CP, there was the proper response as to following my instructions in regard to various functions regarding aircraft systems. I haven't been using the CP for communications as I'm in a single engine aircraft, default Cessna 172 to try out MCE. I'll give it a try with a CP to see if I have better results, but I would like to do the communications myself in a single seat aircraft. Jim D. |
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ilovetofly
Posts: 13 Join date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:41 pm | |
| Well, I've given this a good try, but the results are less than satisfying. 1. Cannot communicate with ATC using my voice 2. Communication only through CP and only by saying "Option 1 or 2 or 3" 3. Cannot hear CP respond. I'll wait until it becomes better, if it can. Shows promise though. Jim D. |
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condor1
Posts: 38 Join date: 2008-12-26 Location: United Kingdom
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:12 am | |
| Well you won't hear CP comments, as he is not supposed to be here on Cessna 172 single piston engine aircraft. Are you sure you have not run out of tries permitted? Because, simulator interface voice control is free, and will continue even after trial period ends. And you may be under the illusion that ATC is expected to work. Look in the "About" tab of user interface for number of days and runs left. |
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JBaymore
Posts: 12 Join date: 2009-04-24 Location: New Hampshire
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:55 am | |
| One thing I have learned in the setting up procedure so far is that this is a complicated setup. That is NOT a "put down" of the software. What this software attempts to do is COMPLICATED. Because of that, one has to expect a lot of time spent tweaking and fussing. And the software also relies on a Third Party piece of software (from Microsoft, no less) which is the core speech engine in Windows. So that adds yet ANOTHER layer of complication into things. And the software ALSO relies on a piece of hardware; your microphone. So there really are THREE distinct variables that all have to work together, and each of which needs to be scruitinized. Add a Third Party SAPI voice (which I STRONGLY reccommend) .....and you have one more possibility for issues. In some ways it is like the PMDG 747-400 Queen of the Skies; it is not something you load up, and go use without a LOT of time invested in learning. Try that with that particular 747.....and you crash a lot. Jim, I'd say give all the documents a serious good read through. There are about 100+ pages of stuff to wade through. And sit down and do the mike calibration and voice training repeatedly. And contact FS++ support directly via email. I have found that are GREAT to work with. best, ...................john |
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ilovetofly
Posts: 13 Join date: 2009-04-21
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:13 am | |
| Thanks John for your response. I really wish I could get it to work. I have 2 days left for the trial period and being busy today, will lose this one. If I can't voice communicate with ATC in a single seat plane, I really don't see a difference in just saying "Option 1" than pushing a key on the keyboard. And I'd rather spend my time flying than spending it trying to configure something that, for me, just doesn't seem to work. That is why I've stuck with FS9 instead of going to FSX, of which I do have an unopened copy. Also I don't fly the "default" planes, as my favorites are add-ons, both payware, e.g. PMDG 737, Mid-Atlantic DC3 & B25, Realair Spitfire and Wings of Power P51 Mustang /heavy bombers, and high quality freeware. If it doesn't work with those, then I don't see the sense in spending the money. If MCE's ATC voice communication was the only thing working with my planes, the fee would be worth it. Jim D. |
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JBaymore
Posts: 12 Join date: 2009-04-24 Location: New Hampshire
 | Subject: Re: MCE window Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:14 am | |
| | ilovetofly wrote: | | If MCE's ATC voice communication was the only thing working with my planes, the fee would be worth it. |
Jim,
If I were you, I'd write directly and tell them exactly that. I cannot believe that they would not help you figure this out. I can't speak for them, but they might even give you a "workaround" for the time limitation until you can see if you can get it working to your satisfaction.
We are exchanging multiple emails each day with what I am trying to do. They are VERY helpful.
For me, just having a copilot to work thru the checklists (which in my simpit are complex) is an amazing thing.
As to the "works with" comment, there are some features of MCE that might not FULLY work with add-on aircraft. When you ask for a checklist item, for the stuff that uses "normal" FS variables, the copilot actually hacks if the item is set the way it is supposed to be set. he has caught me a number of times on something (I'm doing this deliberately). But on some stuff, that he can't "see" in the sim, he just reasds the checklist item without checking. From my point of view, I can live with this.
As to the "tweaking FSX" issue ... I'm right there with you. It is sitting in an unopened bos on my shelf....waiting for the day I buy a super-computer. From working the a guy called NickN I KNOW that my hardware will not run it the way I will want it to run. So now is not the time.
But with my background in simpit building....... I have a lot of patience. I've debugged an amazing pile of software crap. And I am a beta tester for Ellie Avionics glass cockpit software. My pit building project is at 5 1/2 years now. Flyable, but far from "finished" (if a simpit is EVER finished). Patience is my middle name.
Stick with it. In the end, you KNOW it will be worth it.
best,
..................john |
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